Hypocrisy over Haltemprice - 5 comments
I think this is a fairly typical response from Labour bloggers to David Davis's by-election victory:
The man, David Davis, is a complete nutter, having put his constituents of Haltemprice and Howden through a phoney by-election for the sake of his own super ego. The man who thought 42 days to question terrorist suspects was too much and violated the principles of Magna Carta was nevetheless happy to support 28 days. This nutter wasted money on a phoney election merely to satisfy his personal ego. This by-election proved nothing except confirm its status as a safe Tory seat.As such it's a thoroughly unreasonable collection of speculative personal attacks and irrelevant or unsubstantiated claims, that dodges the issues in order to gain some measly political advantage.
You'd almost think Labour bloggers supported the 42-day detention proposal. If I had to sum up the reaction from last month, I can't remember more than one or two favourable responses from bloggers who weren't Councillors or MPs.
The point I tried to make last month was that (aside from Davis's character being irrelevant to the issue at hand) that this was an opportunity for us all to combat the illiberal attitudes of the general public, that some of us believe were the real driver of the 42-day proposal, and others in a similar vein. If Davis did succeed in changing attitudes, at least in Haltemprice and Howden, then good - liberal attitudes are in all of our best interests, whatever party we associate with.The idea that you can temporarily breach your own deeply-held values for political advantage is not one I want to be associated with.
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Come off it, adding just 2 weeks to the length of time terrorism suspects can be held whilst enhancing the judicial scrutiny of the whole process is hardly a dramatic threat to our liberal values. Just brings us closer into line with most of our EU partners even tho they disguise their processes by allowing evidence to go on being gathered after holding charges have been brought.
Especially given that it's unlikely ever to affect more than 6 out of the 60m UK citizens, there are far more pressing issues to get steamed up about for example the homophobia which still infects for many Tories...
It matters to me.
That said, the main aim of my post was to encourage people who consider themselves 'reasonable' to avoid using intolerant, irrelevant, and partisan piffle in place of talking about the issues openly.
You didn't respond to the post I pointed you to on the DSTPFW the last time you posted on this subject which does not do any of the things you say in the post that are supposed to be 'beneath' your own political morality.
The charade of the stupid 'election' shows up even more starkly the utter stupidity of people like yourself and Hundal "it's time for brown people to switch to tory" idiots -- turnout 34.5 percent.
The Sun headline
"It was Hundal wot won it"
The total lack of interest in the event and its aftermath shows up all those 'tory supporting 'wibberwull democrats' and 'labour for tory vermin Davis' knackers to be even more stupid than they appeared a few weeks ago.
We bring you the Haltemprice and Howden Popular Front. Onwards to victory!
Anyone who campaigns for, or gives aid or comfort to tory vermin in any way shape or form is a scab. Davis is the worst front man any civil liberties lobby could have, a personal and political disaster, associating the defence of our rights with the right wing of the Tory Party.
*Puke*
I did respond to your piece in the comments here - it was very different from most posts on the subject, and so I don't see why you should feel you were the subject of this post here.
I read what you're saying, but can't see how 'stupidity' comes into it. I didn't make any claims whatsoever about turnout or capturing the public's imagination, I said this was an *opportunity* to talk to the electorate about civil liberties. Is that stupid?
I haven't *backed* Davis, but I will criticise those who oppose a policy in print then turn around and attack someone who expresses some of the same views, because they're from a different party, speculation about their motives, character, etc.
Will, that macho ideological BS doesn't work on me.
Remove my blog from your blogroll and desist from calling yourself 'labour' ever again. You are an idiot beyond exception.
You represent nothing else but a cowardly retreat from politics and passion into a jealously guarded little private sphere - which is the worst form of conservatism of course.
Half the problem (and more than half of the wider problem of liberalism in general) is that you and wibberwuls, genuinely do not understand that politics is not a game but involves real enemies fighting about real things.
You thick fucking tossers.
Good bye.
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