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Economic freedom II / Chávez - 6 comments

My Monday post, on John Pilger and Hugo Chávez, has come in for a bit of criticism. Not so much for the post itself, which largely consisted of a large quotation from Hayek arguing that the existence of a democratic mandate does not in itself stop power being wielded arbitrarily by states, but for this extract from my follow-up comment:
In Venezuela, Cuba, and so many other countries, the top priority for their governments is (sic) to open their economies, cede political power, tackle corruption, and stop blaming the country's problems on internal and external enemies. [...]
Obviously I meant 'should be', rather than 'is', but I can't deny that's a fairly succinct, though hardly nuanced, expression of my view.

Tom from NewerLabour has left a couple of lengthy comments, and Citizen Andreas has also posted, so here's my response.

Firstly, when I refer to 'opening' one's economy - reducing state control of industry, dismantling tariffs, allowing the free movement of capital and labour, etc. - I don't mean to imply an 'off-the-shelf' solution with any guaranteed economic and political return, in any particular time frame, just that economic openness is correlated with greater individual rights and more economic wealth, less exploitation of the population by monopolists, and a reduced scope for political corruption. Note that this is not a specific point about capitalism, it's about the economic freedom of individuals from the state and from monopolies of labour or capital, and insofar as posited socialist or other future economic systems respect the individual, this analysis will apply just as much to them.

I can't make any similarly general point about the likelihood of an egalitarian distribution of income: only governments and powerful economic actors can claim to have the power to alter this - whether they really have the ability to deliver is another matter altogether, but consider this, as I quote for a second time from Hayek's The Road To Serfdom (Chapter 14), and try to imagine I'm not a starry-eyed 17-year-old Thatcherite who wears a suit to college [my emphasis]:
The refusal to yield to forces which we neither understand nor can recognise as the conscious decision of an intelligent being is the product of an incomplete and therefore erroneous rationalism. It is complete because it fails to comprehend that the co-ordination of the multifarious individual efforts in a complex society must take account of facts no individual can completely survey. And it fails to see that, unless this complex society is to be destroyed, the only alternative to submission to the impersonal and seemingly irrational forces of the market is submission to an equally uncontrollable and therefore arbitrary power of other men.
Tom continues:
There already exists a party which is meant to give us liberalism and nothing further (though I would argue that they are only liberal where it hurts poor communities and authoritarian in many other aspects. [B4L: presumably the Tories?] They may fail orthodox liberalism as Labour fails orthodox socialism). We need a party that offers more than liberalism: justice. That should be Labour.
Well, of course there has to be justice. Markets can't create justice: they have to work within the rules of justice that it is the state's responsibility to devise and enact. These can take an infinite number of forms. Only systems of justice that allow individual freedom, private property, and enforceable contracts are compatible with free markets, but this still leaves us a tremendous range: as law-makers we can try to reflect a society that enjoys risk and accepts wide variations in outcomes; one that is risk-averse and prefers strong and ample safety-nets; we could quite easily raise inheritance taxes to such a degree that inheritance was practically impossible, if society so desired. So equality of outcome can be tackled without substantially imposing on economic freedom. All of this, however, requires that the state sticks to the agreed laws and system of justice, and not penalise or promote people at its whim. This is the Rule of Law.

Too often, self-proclaimed socialist regimes have taken root within states that glorify nationalism and have contempt for individual rights, or have attempted to shift opinion in that direction. This means that, as far as justice is concerned, all bets are off. The erosion of individual rights that makes it progressively harder for people to organise outside the state represents a second reason why aspiring dictators cannot be allowed to continue far down the road to autocracy. It's all the more unfortunate when the government in question appears to have a genuine commitment to aiding a previously disadvantaged social group, as in Venezuela.

Returning to economic nationalism, Tom says:
What you seem to be saying is that it is impossible to tackle the priorities of the Venezuelan people [...] without allowing multinationals from other states to take control of certain industries.
No, not necessarily. It needn't make any substantial difference what country a particular company 'comes from', and while 'faceless multinationals' are a minority in the world economy, one compensation for homogeneity and hierarchical organisation is exposure to international labour standards.

The 'take control' reference is also crucial: whatever the economic system, my view is that the cases where society is not best served by monopolistic companies (whether in the public or private sector, foreign or domestic) being open to competition, belong in the textbooks. Free economies should not permit domination, let alone 'control' of industries, nor ought they to be as susceptible to this kind of abuse than those where state control provides companies with opportunities for corruption and collusion. Of course our favoured politicians are of unimpeachable morals, but our freedoms shouldn't depend upon the character of a few good men.

Tom also argues that:
nationalism is often progressive where the intentions of outside actors are regressive in character [...]
I would very much disagree with the 'often', and I find even qualified support for nationalism mystifying. I concede that it might bind a population together sufficiently to overthrow a tyranny, but unless that unifying force is swiftly replaced with more rational economics and politics, a generation of domineering politicians will take root, backed by the dead hand of the military, with the population stifled.

A final point on liberal institutions: the idea that Chávez (and so many before him) should have domestic restrictions tolerated on the grounds that their domestic achievements would otherwise be overturned by powerful domestic or foreign forces is, I'm sure, very persuasive for the left. Democracy's greatest weapon might not literally be 'people power', but Cuba demonstrates how those who claim to 'protecting the revolution' have created themselves a job for life. Chávez's best chance of protecting his social programmes (which I'm not going to analyse in detail) is to liberalise his economy and state, to ensure the state's monopoly of force, to break up power blocs, allow a free press and media, have a trusted legal system, and to avoid acting in such a way that prevents his government winning international friends from mainstream political parties.

Update (29/08): There are currently 6 comments stretching to approximately 3500 words, so clearly I'm not going to be able to respond "in full", but I will try to pick out a few topics and deal with those. If you want to comment yourself, please be concise and read what's been said earlier on!

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6 comments so far...

At 8:28 AM, August 27, 2007, Blogger Benjamin said...

as law-makers we can try to reflect a society that enjoys risk and accepts wide variations in outcomes; one that is risk-averse and prefers strong and ample safety-nets;

So what would you call Sweden, with its strong safety nets and an economy that is more competitive (by quite a wide margin) than the UK (according to the World Economic Forum)?

It's quite possible to have a risk taking businesses sector etc and have generous welfare. Thatcherites never believe this is possible (hence Bloogers4Labour's false dichotomy and endless Hayek quotations) but reality proves these dogmatists wrong.

For social democrats, of course, there is such a thing as social justice: not mention of that by Bloggers4Labour.

   
At 8:50 AM, August 27, 2007, Blogger Benjamin said...

Chávez's best chance of protecting his social programmes (which I'm not going to analyse in detail) is to liberalise his economy and state, to ensure the state's monopoly of force, to break up power blocs, allow a free press and media, have a trusted legal system, and to avoid acting in such a way that prevents his government winning international friends from mainstream political parties.

Yes, I agree with some of that, but
Chavez has introduced health care free at the point of delivery and other services. I am sure some of that is familiar to Brits (the NHS). But the NHS, which I presume Bloggers4Labour supports, was not created by following the dictats of the Washington Consensus and economic liberalism.

Those that religiously follow economic liberalism, such as many in the Venezuelan opposition, would never have implemented some of the reforms that Chavez have implemented. Some of these reforms are actually not particularly radical either: land reform and socialised health care are well known the world over.

But, in the Venezuelan context, its not a question of somehow simply preserving these reforms through economic liberalism: the fact is these reforms would never have taken place if elements of dogmatic economic liberalism had not been challenged.

Whilst I agree that there no way that that Chavez should adopt a statist Cuban model, it should really be remembered how these reforms took place.

   
At 12:43 PM, August 27, 2007, Blogger el Tom said...

"There already exists a party which is meant to give us liberalism and nothing further (though I would argue that they are only liberal where it hurts poor communities and authoritarian in many other aspects. [B4L: presumably the Tories?] They may fail orthodox liberalism as Labour fails orthodox socialism)"

I meant the libdems actually... I was talking about their opposition to ASBOs etc for the liberalism part of things...

The tories aren't meant to be liberals. The majority of tories, in an economic sense at least, certainly are... but their party exists simply to preserve order, or from the leftist's POV, social relationships as they stand. They were the natural home of thatcherite liberals because markets have a tendency to either do this or more often actually exaggerate those relationships: I suppose that you will agree these points.

   
At 1:16 PM, August 27, 2007, Blogger el Tom said...

"All of this, however, requires that the state sticks to the agreed laws and system of justice, and not penalise or promote people at its whim. This is the Rule of Law."

How intensely ideological.

Democratic prerogative should not be dismissed as a whim while pretending that supply and demand as mechanisms have some kind of superior moral validity... I would argue that justice demands that need be treated before want (now that's real 'efficiency'). Supply and demand mechanisms don't necessarilly mimic these priorities, and where they do not, they act in an arbitrary fashion; and use the mechanism of the state to perpetuate themselves.

Who am I to argue with these invisible hands, you might say.

You may as well say to someone 'who are you to argue with the way the world is'...'of course... how it is is how it should be'.

Less of the whims. Don't assign irrationality to actors on uneven grounds.

"It needn't make any substantial difference what country a particular company 'comes from', and while 'faceless multinationals' are a minority in the world economy,"

I was arguing that it makes a difference where it pays out. IUf companies take resources (often by force) previously owned by a person who lived with them, and pays out elsewhere... well, a region has to make a transition from being sustainable and self reliant to both depending on others elsewhere, and others depending on it. This is not necessarily and evil; but it is a change, and it's a change that people should have a right, via self determination and democratic process, to decide if they wish firstly to undergo at all, and secondly how to.

"one compensation for homogeneity and hierarchical organisation is exposure to international labour standards."

A company must have an interest in following them, otherwise it simply wouldn't.

"The 'take control' reference is also crucial: whatever the economic system, my view is that the cases where society is not best served by monopolistic companies (whether in the public or private sector, foreign or domestic) being open to competition, belong in the textbooks."

Do you exclude competing state agencies, out of interest?

"Free economies should not permit domination, let alone 'control' of industries"

Perhaps, but free people certainly should.

"I would very much disagree with the 'often', and I find even qualified support for nationalism mystifying. I concede that it might bind a population together sufficiently to overthrow a tyranny"

Or protect you from one... or stop you're own domain becoming one, surely?

"but unless that unifying force is swiftly replaced with more rational economics and politics, a generation of domineering politicians will take root, backed by the dead hand of the military, with the population stifled."

Indeed, and this should be fought too. But the risk of stage 2 does not invalidate the need for progress towards stage 1, where stage 1 is necessary... tautological though I concede this to be.

I'd also point out that although rationality is, to my mind, an ascertainable objectivity, it remains objective fact that many do not share this opinion, and that the vast majority of those who do disagree about what the rationality actually is.

Democracy is a crude mechanism for assessing who wins in this process. Therefore, democracy must allow many contending rationalities to compete on the marketplace of ideas. Thus, we would be kidding ourselves if we honestly believed the argument that democracy is only compatible with a certain set of political principles... to put such a belief into practice removes the main point of democracy in its very institution.

"A final point on liberal institutions: the idea that Chávez (and so many before him) should have domestic restrictions tolerated on the grounds that their domestic achievements would otherwise be overturned by powerful domestic or foreign forces is, I'm sure, very persuasive for the left."

Indeed.

"Democracy's greatest weapon might not literally be 'people power', but Cuba demonstrates how those who claim to 'protecting the revolution' have created themselves a job for life."

Hardly democratic though, is it? I'm arguing that Venezuela, in comparative terms, certainly is; despite the often misplaced rantings of its president.

"Chávez's best chance of protecting his social programmes (which I'm not going to analyse in detail) is to liberalise his economy and state,"

Why?

"to ensure the state's monopoly of force"

The state has no monopoly of force in Venezuela. Businesses and private housing estates have their own paramilitary wings. TV channels demand the overthrow of popularly elected governments, prompting snipers on streets.

Chavez can't safeguard a state monopoly on force, he needs to actively build one... from very little, at that.

"to break up power blocs,"

Aye. Look what he did to the previous regime!

"allow a free press and media,"

You mean one which incites violence against the government, presumably? Not great for that Webberian monopoly building activity...

"have a trusted legal system,"

Finally... agreed.

"and to avoid acting in such a way that prevents his government winning international friends from mainstream political parties."

Ditto... interestingly, this is a similar position to the one held by our social democratic (eurocommunist?) comrades from the movimento al socialismo (MAS). Makes sense to me.

Funny how spectrums work. Were I Venezuelan I would support the opposition, and still be a lot more pro Chavez than many on the UK centre-left.

   
At 10:34 AM, August 28, 2007, Blogger donpaskini said...

Hi B4L,

Surely Chavez has international friends from mainstream political parties, e.g. his recent arrangement with Ken? ;)

Latin American governments in the 1990's did try a lot of what you are suggesting, and their failure was a large reason why many Latin American countries now have social democratic governments. (There's an argument that some of the failure was a result of internal and external enemies, but if you've got a rule that governments aren't allowed to blame those...)

However clever the arguments of libertarians sound on their websites, their record in practice is woefully weak because the real world doesn't work according to libertarian theory (any more than it works according to Marxist theory).

If you haven't already seen it, would be worth reading some of Robert Reich's books - he was Clinton's Secretary of Labor and has a lot of thoughtful things to say about promoting economic freedom against protectionists on the one hand and fundamentalist free marketeers on the other.

   
At 8:38 PM, August 29, 2007, Blogger Copey86 said...

To whomever authored this post I am commenting, before I begin my reasoned criticisms may I just open with a statement - Your article is a shameless and utterly worthless piece of tripe that attempts to square circles and perform a very circus of magic tricks and sleight of hand in order to conjour away reality and replace it with comfortingly superficial phrases and sanctimonious pseudo moralising. I shall demonstrate thus.

"Firstly, when I refer to 'opening' one's economy - reducing state control of industry, dismantling tariffs, allowing the free movement of capital and labour, etc. - I don't mean to imply an 'off-the-shelf' solution with any guaranteed economic and political return, in any particular time frame, just that economic openness is correlated with greater individual rights and more economic wealth, less exploitation of the population by monopolists, and a reduced scope for political corruption. Note that this is not a specific point about capitalism, it's about the economic freedom of individuals from the state and from monopolies of labour or capital, and insofar as posited socialist or other future economic systems respect the individual, this analysis will apply just as much to them."

Egads, where to start disecting this wretched corpse!? You don't propose an 'off the shelf solution', no of course! What you propose is so strikingly different - a long list of neol-liberal reforms that have in all likelihood just come off a shelf! Firstly - reducing state control of industry. Reducing 'democratic control of industry' or 'public control' of industry would be equally apt a phrase though of course top down social-democratic statism is not itself much to get excited about (hence, I assume, your choice of phrase). And while to a certain point, in that the economy IS global there must be some degree of labour and capital freedom, but this is dictated by necessity of existing as a mere nation state in the world market - its very neccessity impresses its requirement onto the minds of all those adrift in such a world and thus the spectre you raise of 'frozen capital and labour' is not so as it literaaly cannot be so. This neccessity for some free movement of capital and labour (in some cases the more the better I admit) does not bear particulalry on the public sector which has its own capital, nor on the source of funds for the hospitals, literarcy programs, schools, housing etc - the oil. Thus there is no need for the people of Venuezelea to prostrate themselves before Big Bucks inc, as you commend to them, so they recieve a more thorough economic ramming!

Secondly, as every A level student knows 'Correllation does not equal causation' regarding your correllative remark on freedom for capital and liberal freedoms (Managed democracy, vested interest media, leaves economic power untouched etc) Which, compared to tyranny, your genius points out, are pretty fab.

This comment '...less exploitation by monopolists' is interesting as we can deduce two things. Firstly that, if you are to be consistent, that expoitation by monopolists is good for a country, so long as the expoitation (define) is not too bad! Secondly, and this follows logically from the first - that there is thus an IDEAL level of monopolist expoitation that allows liberal freedoms but guarantees monpolistic expoitation in some kind of cuddlier mathmatical ratio than otherwise would be!

As about freedom from public monopoies you miss a key point (all the while insisting that this isnt about capitlism - merely everything else capitalist but the word itself ie freedom of the rich and the resources at humanities disposal to its and their democratic and sustainable control/ use! On an ever more depleted planet I'm glad ou see the need to be free from any kind of control!) In addition a monopoly is a monopoly be it public owned or privatyely owned - you have 'freedom' from one or the other but not from monopoly itself as that is a given in your argument and, of course, in reality. Thus whether a monopoly is good or bad depends soley on how it is administered, if publicly, not for profit, and for the publics benefit then we have a good monopoly. If privately, for profit, and in the interests of profit then we have a bad monopoly.

Next, possibly the stupidest morsel of bourgeois idiocy ever, which of course you quote in support of your argument.

"And it fails to see that, unless this complex society is to be destroyed, the only alternative to submission to the impersonal and seemingly irrational forces of the market is submission to an equally uncontrollable and therefore arbitrary power of other men."

This is an fine example, by Hayek, of reification. He ascribes impersonality and lifelessness to the market, more specifically the 'forces' of the market. Rather like the ether or the woodland spirits, whom he believes must be behind it, as it cannot be, for him or for you, the mere actions of people, perhaps even the arbitrary power of other people, this illusion and false dicotomy between 'arbitrary control by people' which he presumably holds to be socialism, and the 'forces' of the 'market' which, if he is to be logically consistent, must thus be utterly impersonal. See?

"Markets can't create justice: they have to work within the rules of justice that it is the state's responsibility to devise and enact. These can take an infinite number of forms. Only systems of justice that allow individual freedom, private property, and enforceable contracts are compatible with free markets, but this still leaves us a tremendous range: as law-makers we can try to reflect a society that enjoys risk and accepts wide variations in outcomes;" If this quote weren't so utterly ridiculous, yet superficially reassuring and depressingly widespread, I would laugh at you until I suffocated to death through the simple physical strain.

Lets examine it in more detail. Firstly 'Markets' do not create anything, men create markets and by extension any of the effects of the 'market'. However they are a definte mechanism and constitute defintes social relations and thus have definte broard features - to this extent only do they do anything. You of course see this in an upside down fashion, you see that this means that an 'infinte' number of forms can be arranged economically and in society to remedy, in part, this evil (which you hold to be the lesser evil). In the same breath and with no sense of irony, you state this this infinite set of social arranements is, of course, determind by the most important and also irremovable parts! Namely 'private property'. Capitalist property is private property - so our infinte set of pssibiliteis for remedying the ills of... private property, suddenly is cut down to 'Do whatever the markets demand (for developing nations) or alternativley 'Do whatever we can without more than slightly miffing the owners , proprieters and benefactors of all this private property'! (for developed nations).

"as law-makers we can try to reflect a society that enjoys risk and accepts wide variations in outcomes; " This one part-sentence alone sets humanity back in excess of two hundred years. I cannot remember who originally said this, I will paraphrase, but you would do well to listen. "The spirit of the laws is property". More simply put, the golden rule of capitalism is that ; those who own the gold MAKE the rules. In your schema reality buts rudely in and further curtails these 'infinite' reforms 'we' can make (AS if 'we' make the law! Laws are frequently drawn up by corporate lawyers, revised by civil servants and rubber stamped by parliament to give the necessary veneer of electoral 'democracy' - formal political expropriation, in this case by liberal parliaments (or even by fascist ones), does not equal real (economic-political) expropriation.)

"a society that enjoys risk and accepts wide variations in outcomes" Which part of society enjoys risks currently? The capitalist only to the extent as they make themselves the bearer of risk as society is run according to their actions, but this is not neccessary and any bigwigs who complain should have the inconvenience of their power simply removed from their control - no one forces the capitalist to invest (Likewise in economic crises ;)). Yes, the real risk is always borne by the economically disenfranchised, by the workers who are, when risks manifest as crises (inherant in even 'risk free' capitalsim as inherant to it they are) liberated from their means of subsitence, their houses, cars, mortgages, jobs, health plans, gym memberships, food, shelter etc etc. You find this society an ideal to be aspired to and commended to others accross the globe!? Also, 'wide variations in outcomes' like the fact that despite the worlds ability to feed, clothe and educate every person on it and more it has not done so under EXACTLY the solutions you propose for OVER THIRTY YEARS - when these acts are undertaken deliberatley we call it genocide, when by market forces, spirits, etc it is fine, just fine. Laws do not abolish this within a global free market premised on exactly that and conditioned by it , only actions which undermine, go against and move towards ending 'free' markets can remedy these ills that result from the 'free' division of misery and poverty ,oopS, division of wealth and labour over the global workplace.

"All of this, however, requires that the state sticks to the agreed laws and system of justice, a" Hold on one second, I thought the state made the laws and that there was an 'infinite' number of ways to remedy the ills that the modern state is premised on? Laws agreed by whom exactly and to whose benefit? Justice for who - you just said we should tolerate a wide range of outcomes - either the negative effects of all this, nationally and internatioanlly, have to be contained by law as the condition of the system, and this is, as implied by your 'many outcomes' and evidenced by reality, requires law and justice to be different things, the laws must necessarily tend towards those owners of capital and of private property without them even lifting a finger (Why do you think that the ruling class of britain was so becalmed following the mass enfranchisement of the plebs? Their formal loss of control had no effect on their real control, whether inaugurated in the past or continued in the present).

Furthermore it is too soon to be calling Chavez a dictator with no regard for rights - time will tell and the time is not now. RCTV for example and the numerous anti-chavez tv stations that activley denigrate his govt and call for his overthrow STLL! - bearing this in mind he seems to have endless concern for bourgeois 'rights' (for themselves at least)

"Free economies should not permit domination, let alone 'control' of industries," The increasing concentration of wealth and of of the centralisation of capital are two of the most marked tendencies of exactly those 'free' economies. Just in case you were unaware or living in a cave for the past 250 years. And of course in your schemas this is just fine as the govt should not interfere - it should uphold laws premised on the free market, ie the laws of monopolies which arise naturally through competition. As for industries where no-one, neither public or private 'controls' them - thats more tied up in contradictions that a yogic pretzel.

If you respond please ensure that you read it IN FULL and engage with the arguments and not the sarcastic asides (unless the sarcastic asides funtion as illustrative material for the arguments themselves and not in their place).

   

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