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Monday, December 18, 2006

John McDonnell and Arbitrary Taxation - 7 comments

An honest, democratic tax system - to me - is one where the tax rules are set out in advance, and Governments do all they can to raise money based upon the strict application of those rules. If revenues are substantially different from what the Government expected, that suggests either a failure of collection - for which Governments must be held accountable - or that the taxation has prompted a change in economic behaviour (this is, itself, interesting, but a topic for another day). The results should be factored into the plans for the next Budget. Trying to meet a shortfall by taxing something after the event - that is to say, taxing something that an individual didn't expect to be taxed, or at a rate they couldn't have foreseen - represents an abuse of Government power, if you want my view, and not something you expect in a democracy, whether the taxes come from people who can't afford it, or who probably can. "The rule of law", I believe, is the term.

This is just what John McDonnell is proposing here, with an arbitrary tax on Christmas bonuses. Yes, clearly in some sectors of the economy they're huge, but that's no justification for what borders on theft by the State. There's no good reason that I can see why Christmas bonuses, per se, ought to be taxed, and at least in the banking sector, they're also unpredictable, making them not a source one can depend upon for funding public spending, or reducing taxes elsewhere. Now, I certainly don't think such a windfall would do much harm; the money even be put to good use, but that doesn't justify the policy, and the proceeds from any windfall should not be wasted, or simply raise expectations that would have to be met out of general taxation when the apparent bounty doesn't materialise (insert - 19/12) in subsequent years.

John invites us to contrast news of these huge bonuses with reports of new efforts to coax the long-term unemployed back into the jobs market. By contrast, he means, of course, to imply a relationship without needing to - or being able to - state what that relationship is. The implication is, presumably, that those bonuses - shared out - would solve the problem of long-term unemployment, saving us all that silly debate about skills, apathy, migration, competition, benefit traps, and marginal tax rates; also that one reason for long-term unemployment is just that the right 5-6 figure salary just didn't come along for those people. Perhaps the issue is one of education (though this doesn't seem to hold many traders back), or application, or interest, or not living near London, or not wanting to work 60-hour weeks, or preferring a stress-reduced life to the salary benefits. There are plenty of reasons why that career might not work out for people, but it's hardly the point: we need to be trying to equip people for some kind of plausible career, because I certainly don't think the kindest or most liberal approach is to allow someone to degenerate, wasting the skills they have. Everyone should care about that, it just so happens that Governments care more, it being other people's taxes.

John's quite right to talk about the need to tackle inequality, but in terms of ideas, he evidently has nothing new to offer, just a pat, simplistic approach that is designed to invigorate his supporters, woo potential supporters, and avoid making any difficult choices. Now, I did hear once that he supported the Citizen's Income, though I haven't find any evidence yet. Is this true? And if it is, why doesn't he talk about that, and help get it on the agenda, rather than all this "fantasy politics" stuff?

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7 comments so far...

At 1:04 AM, December 19, 2006, Blogger Skuds said...

"There's no good reason that I can see why Christmas bonuses, per se, ought to be taxed"

I assume you are talking about additional windfall-type tax and are not suggesting that xmas bonuses should be tax-free?

   
At 1:42 AM, December 19, 2006, Blogger donpaskini said...

It is a bit harsh to describe a windfall tax as 'fantasy politics', given that it is relatively easy to implement, and indeed is something which Gordon Brown did with similar reasoning to the privatised utilities. Presumably you don't think that this was an example of the breach of the 'rule of law'? Just as in 1997/8 there are all sorts of projects which a windfall tax could help fund which would help people into work.

Citizen's Income, which I support, is much harder to implement and would be a much larger shift in policy.

Either way, reducing inequality requires curbing pay amongst the highest earners, not just increasing the income of the people who have least.

   
At 2:24 AM, December 19, 2006, Blogger Bloggers4Labour said...

Andrew,

Ah, yes, I meant additional taxes. It's hard to know exactly what JMcD had in mind, but I'm assuming it would be something on the gross income - well, employers would immediately try to find some way around it, wouldn't they? Just applying the law and tackling evasion would be a starter.

Don,

Well, I mean "fantasy politics" in the sense of politics being all about shifting lump sums from baddies to goodies, and also perhaps to challenge the assumptions that the long-term unemployed are essentially tragic cases who have been let down in the sense of not being subsidised enough (rather than, say, having a poor education, being stuck in a rut of dependency or addiction; lack of motivation, etc.). By any standards, someone who cannot/will not work for years on end has problems (not meant in a pejorative sense), and needs hands-on help, not just a windfall payment. JMcD's attitude is that this amounts to victimisation, as if the Government would do more good by simply leaving them alone and not raising their hopes. I don't know - maybe this is all just a big conspiracy to cut the benefits bill, but I'm not cynical, and it seems wrong for John to take that line himself.

My worry is that curtailing top pay is so ideologically appealing - and statistically effective - that it distracts from policies that can help the poorest and that don't depend upon transfers from others at all. Rather goes back to the discussion about Poverty, and the fact that - even in the Labour Party - there is an imbalance of power and influence that disadvantages the poor, and I'd rather we tackle those imbalances than the current statistical measures of income inequality.

Citizen's Income would indeed be a mammoth change, but blogging gives you the chance to imagine these huge changes working for real, and the prospects look good. If I had to think of specific, achievable policies, I might not be the right person at all to ask! Not that I am on this, either...

   
At 7:09 AM, December 19, 2006, Blogger SC said...

It does seem a bit simplistic and populist, not to mention the dreaded '...but they'll all just find work overseas!' argument. Clever City lawyers and accountants could quite easily find ways around this. Bonuses could simply be integrated into salary, for example, as non-consolidated pay rises.

It also smacks of vindictiveness. What is reasonable about a family whose enormous wealth is inherited but unfairly accumulated, but not a worker who makes a large bonus in the City?

We Lefties must, must, must live in the real world. Gradual change towards liberal socialism, and closer ties to Europe, are the way forward.

   
At 12:34 PM, December 19, 2006, Blogger The Provisional BBC said...

If bonuses were integrated into salaries wouldn't they end up paying more tax on the cash than they currently do?

Anyway, I'm sure this is not John McDonnell's be all and end all for reducing inequality. After all, the suggestion of a windfall tax is only a small aside in his post. The point is we need to be talking more - and doing more - about reducing inequality. As Don Paskini says, that's going to mean reducing the wealth of the wealthy as well as aiding a few of the poorest, so let's not be afraid to talk about that.

The government's attempts to help small groups of people at the bottom of the pile are often unfairly derided by people on the left, but I think we're not living in the real world if we don't also do something to reduce inequality by closing tax loopholes and taxing wealth more highly. Inequality creates other problems linked to social exclusion including poor health and residualisation. It fragments society. Continuing to allow income gaps to widen will cause real practical problems, not just theoretical ones.

As it happens I think massive bonuses are an emotive issue which we in the Labour party can exploit to gain popular support. Most people intuitively think there's something wrong with these massive bonuses when cleaners are being paid £5.35 an hour and working two jobs to survive. But even if it's only a starting point for a debate about equality it's still a good thing.

Tim

   
At 9:44 AM, December 20, 2006, Blogger AxeTheTax. said...

Anthony T Flynn. flynn354@btinternet.com
URL:- http://www.endoftaxnic.co.uk

I have never voted for Labour in my life, and I am now 72 years old.
But this is a blog about Taxation, not about personalities.
Not that many people realiseyet, that Gordon and this Government have now spent a very large chunk of Taxpayers money, that will not even be collected until next century, 2100. At the moment, it amounts to some £1600 Billion. It will decrease of the years, but there is also a facility,to adjust the payments every five years, and extend this debt. It also reviews the annual running costs and upgrades them. So you can see, children being "Born" in 2030, and probably 2075, will still be paying the debts of Gordon Brown and this Government. If you ever want to change the order, you are going to have to revoke, abrogate,annul, the liabilities this useless Government has saddled you with.
Me ? I liive on a State Pension, my wife and I receive just about £6,000 a year. I am not complaining. But when you consider, Chris Patton, has £6,000 a week, you see the stupidity of Politics. And then, these Christmas bonuses, most of the people getting them are working for Conultants and advisers. Accenture being one. Most of the money being paid out as bonus, comes from these Consultants working for Number 10 Downing Street, the Treasury the NHS, or DoH,. Shall I go on ? Or do you get the picture. The bloody money is Taxpayers money in the first place. This is why you will be paying for the mess into the Next Century. What you are seeing at Westminster now, is a bloody big "con" game.

   
At 7:18 PM, December 20, 2006, Blogger Bishop Hill said...

Don Paskini said:

"Presumably you don't think that this was an example of the breach of the 'rule of law'? Just as in 1997/8 there are all sorts of projects which a windfall tax could help fund which would help people into work."

I'm not sure if you are suggesting that the usefulness of funds raised from a windfall tax somehow stops them undermining the rule of law, which they unquestionably do. (And if you think I'm being party political, it's worth remembering that the Conservatives did the same in the seventies.) Most definitions of the Rule of Law would require the law to be public (see, for example, Rawls). Making it public after the event doesn't seem to meet that test.

Mind you this is hardly Labour's worst attack on the Rule of Law. The Bowland Dairies case was probably far worse.

   

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