Local Political Parties / Why I Joined - 12 comments
Andrew Brown covers the Joseph Rowntree Trust's dispiriting report on the state of Local Constituency Parties across Great Britain (I have already read one post on this but can't remember where it was - apologies if that blogger feels snubbed), and asks his readers why - if they happen to be a member of a political party - they joined, and otherwise, what might tempt them to join.
Well I'm going to steal his idea and ask the question here too (though you can also follow the comments there).
I'd like to hear your stories - whether you're a Labour member or a member of a rival party, or not a member at all. Please avoid the temptation to evangelise, if at all possible.
Here's Andrew's:
I came from a family who talked a lot of politics and the extension of talking about it to trying to do something about it wasnât that far a step. I joined my party because I wanted to change the world and recognised that doing that on my own was going to be difficult. I joined because I hated many of the things that the Conservative Government were doing. I became active because I didnât consider that there was an alternative, and I stayed active because of the relationships that developed and the experiences I had. I put myself forward for election because someone asked me to.And here's mine: well, I grew up in a family (my family, specifically) of liberal, Guardian-reading, Conservative teachers (I wonder if such a thing now exists). I can't remember any political discussion until I was about 13 (1989/1990), and it was about this time that I initiated a rather embarrassing conversation about the Government's apparently miraculous impact on unemployment, which had been falling seemingly for ever (there are a few problems with this analysis). I suspect I followed this with, "How can people possibly criticise Mrs. Thatcher?", and this - together with my selfish social attitudes - must surely have given any independent adjudicator the distinct impression I had been bounced on my head at an early age.
The 1989-1990 (?) Ambulance Strike, about which this is about the best account I can find in the time I have) is about the first politicising event I can recall that pushed me away from the Tories, albeit with the assistance of a rare left-wing schoolfriend. More important, however, was that I somehow managed to turn away from an attitude to the Labour Party that seemed to be universal within my social group: schoolboy mockery of Labour's personnel - probably influenced by Spitting Image - their Scottishness, their Welshness, and their earnest commitment to policies that seemed alien to someone of that age. Though committed enough a supporter to be devastated by the wretched John Major's victory in 1992, and to be depressed by the pervasive Conservatism of my peers (interestingly, the seat in question now exhibits a 16.8% Labour majority), prevarication meant I didn't join Labour until the middle of 1993.
I've remained in the party ever since, being more-or-less content with the rights that gives me, and fairly firm in my conviction that only in truly exceptional times have Labour policies and Labour personnel - taken as a whole - not been ethically and practically superior to those of the Conservatives. I can't honestly say I have a good record when it comes to being "right" on various political issues, having opposed the toppling of Saddam in Iraq for some absolutely lousy reasons, and having nearly resigned my membership in that same year over an issue that ought to have earned my permanent expulsion from intelligent society. But, you live and learn, and the embarrassing letters I could have sent - such as the castigation of the late John Smith for ending Labour's commitment to nationalisation in early 1994 - always remained on the computer.
I've been "active" at election time (especially in 2005), though probably never felt sufficiently at ease within a CLP to be considered "up and coming", and groomed for power by some local Svengali. Though I started the application process for being a 2007 Councillor I pulled out soon after, my vision of what the task - let alone the responsibility, and the potential of the role - entailed being totally incompatible with a 9-5 job, let alone a 7-7 commute. My lack of NUS background also disinclined me to take on constituency roles that seemed to offer fancy job titles for roles that offer neither rights, responsibilities, nor expectations (though there have been exceptions). It's partly for these same reasons that I'm suspicious of those who - in my view - obsess about party rules and the need to give these obscure bodies the "democratic" right to recall Councillors or MPs who have been elected - yes, with the help of those members - but by 1,000 or 20,000 voters who have nothing at all to do with them, and who have their own needs. Perhaps "obscure bodies" is unfair - most of this paragraph is evidence of the lack of community grounding, and lack of competition, to be seen when local politics is weak.
I'm not at all sure I haven't evangelised, but I'll call a halt nonetheless (yawn).
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12 comments so far...
I joined the Labour Party just under a month ago, on the same day Blair made his last conference speech as leader (I wasn't "inspired" on the spot, I had been meaning to do it for a long time I just happened to get round to it that night)
I have always supported Labour, certainly not on every issue (their current outlook on crime is particularly dissatisfactory to me at the moment)but I support what they are doing in the country and I think have made Britain a better place (I hope this is not evangelising)
I joined the party I suppose for a variety of reasons. I'm bucking the current trend and I freely admit I'm completely enchanted with the world of politics. I'm not yet old enough to vote (though I will be come January) but even at the age of 11 or 12 I was at least aware of the parties
(I remember vaguely in the 2001 election, I made a house on the game "The Sims" with Tony Blair, William Hague and Charles Kennedy in it, and left them for a few days. Then I went through the rest of the houses in the neighbourhood and the least popular two were killed by locking them in a room and lighting a firework - I had too much time on my hands as a child. Tony Blair won for the record)
and especially after 9/11 I became much more interested in current affairs.
Anyway I'll stop droning on, I joined the Labour party because believed in the principles and most of the policies of the Labour Party, and wanted something to release my political energy on. If that makes sense.
I joined the party at 16. That's verging on 5 years ago.
My first political memories are a mental snapshot of Kinnock barracking Thatcher across the Commons, and Nelson Mandela being released from jail. Neither are bad
My first party political memory was 1992, and my dad (who is now a libertarian conservative) being utterly destroyed when Kinnock lost. To this day I cannot myself fully understand why he did not win. I, like Kinnock, think it had a lot to do with the press.
I moved to the north east aged 4, and still remember the utter devastation that had resulted from the long-term neglect of the area under Thatcher; but particularly the final insult that was the closing of Swan Hunter shipyard under the tail-end of Major.
Later in my life I began to learn about communism, and decided I was a Marxist. At around 14 I started to become interested in Trotsky, as my Dad, himself an ex-trot, had educated me fully regarding the horrors of Stalinism. I took it from there.
Eventually I decided that violence was neither a legitimate or practical route to any kind of socialism, and became a democratic socialist. I joined the Labour party having learned of the campaign group, and Bennism.
Since then I have stayed on the left of the party, but as I see it, have become more sensible and open-minded, especially with regard to us needing to win elections! I have also been highly interested in how the party can adapt to meet the challenges faced by the left in a 21st century, post New Labour Britain, especially with regard to furthering equality.
Many times I have considered doing a John Harris and leaving the party, particularly over Iraq which, although I am a Eustonite, I vociferously opposed at the time, and still do. There have been plenty of other things too, particularly over civil liberties and what I see as the regressiveness of many measures.
What kept me in the Labour Party was, first and foremost, the pressure group, Compass. I am also, as late, involved in the Young Fabians.
That said, firstly I always worried too much about who I would be leaving the party to, and secondly, I am proud of much of what Labour has achieved, eg. the minimum wage; but I see this as no reason to detract from legitimate criticism.
I have recently become involved in student politics, but like Andrew, have never been particularly bothered by NUS etc., except in terms of gossip.
I am still a proud Democratic Socialist; and people have to realise that supporting party line comes after furthering Labour values, for me at least.
I came from a family of liberal, artsy types in North London, all of whom had grown up in working class families in Newcastle - politics wasn't discussed on a detailed basis, but it was always understood that the tories - and Thatcher particularly - were the enemy of the people. I remember listening fascinated at dinner parties and family get togethers about stories of Scargill and Livingstone, although I'm not sure I understood much of it all.
I was always going to vote Labour and remember the defeat of '92 as one of the most depressing moments of my childhood - but I think I only began being really interested when I started going on anti-nazi marches and stuff like that, and listening to music and reading books with a political message. Although my beliefs are pretty similar to my family's we do disagree about about some things - on the one hand I remember arguing with them over their desire for Labour to go with someone like Ken when John Smith died. On the other, they will always, always vote Labour (unlike me) and I will never match their visceral hatred for the Tories, as much as I try.
I joined Labour as soon as I became old enough to do so, lasting through until 1998, when I let my membership lapse. 1st May 1997 was the happiest day of my life - but I've been a reluctant Labour voter since 2001 and have voted elsewhere locally. Now I'm at the stage, unhappily, where I can't see myself voting Labour again. A sad ending to a happy story!
I joined Labour on my first day at uni, 15 years ago. A bit of a humbling as I was an SDP kiddy activist at 16 - until Owen wound it all up without a membership vote, grr - so I didn't tell any of my new Labour pals about that.
Main impetus for me to join Labour was the daily annoyance of the continued existence of the Tories. After campaigning in the '92 election, I try never to take for granted the great privilege of not hating your own Government, and hence by association the country you live in and ultimately yourself. God, life was miserable under the Tories...
From my blog (http://paulburgin.blogspot.com):
I come from a fairly politically mixed family. My Dad's family were farming Conservatives and my Mum's family were industrial Labour, and I think that has had some influence on my politics.
I suspect my earliest political memory was seeing the Winter of Discontent on the TV. I have a blurred memory of being three years old and seeing the 5:40 news after Ivor the Engine and seeing an image of rubbish piled up in some area. It was just before we moved to Oxfordshire and it therefore certainly fits in that timeframe.
Cut to 1983 and I tell my Conservative voting gran that I wanted Margaret Thatcher to win because I thought Michael Foot looked like an angry old man. This does not look promising for a dedicated Labour Party member I know, but things did improve! ;)
I was aware enough to follow some of the 1987 general election and we had a discussion about it at the junior school I went to. All I knew for sure was that a lot of unemployment happened under the Conservatives, that Margaret Thatcher's style of leadership left me cold, and that I felt that therefore the Liberal/SDP Alliance ought to win, as they seemed nice and friendly and hadn't had a reasonable shot at power since the First World War. This was not something that politically endeared me to my classmates who were all Conservative or Labour because their parents were!
Eventually I got fed up with the Liberals. Their merger with the SDP was not without tears, they argued and didn't seem to have a realistic chance of power. Plus I was not too impressed with their ideas about PR and regional assemblies. In the meantime the country was starting to suffer under the Poll Tax and high unemployment, as well as a recession. Labour seemed to be a better alternative.
But like all romances, it starts with the shallow and develops into a love affair. I grew to appreciate their economic policies, the minimum wage, New Deal, plans for an ethical foreign policy, self government for Scotland, Wales, and Northern Ireland etc.. I voted for them in 1997, but having personally benefitted from their being in government (I was unemployed for a while after my year out and was put on the New Deal programme) I took the plunge and joined them in 2002.
Yes it is like a marriage in that there are up's and down's. But I have seen such an improvement in the past ten years I have not regretted my decision.
So here's to that fourth term! :)
I only joined the Labour party about a month ago, but I've been a Labour supporter for ages.
I remember watching the 1985 Labour conference (it was just after my A levels and I was at home killing time till University started in Oct) and being blown away by Kinnock's speech againt Militant. I wasn't political enough to join any parties at university though (the activists at the time seemed too left wing, more left wing than Kinnock). I wasn't political in the 90's either (I often didn't even watch the news for weeks at a time) as I was too busy getting on with other things. But I did faithfully vote Labour for every election from 1987 onwards. The exception being 2005, when I voted Lib Dem in a safe Labour seat as a protest over Iraq - I felt guilty as hell though, and waited anxiously up till the early hours to find out if our MP was still Labour.
It was Iraq that politicised me. I started to follow events very closely, and started discussing it and other things on message boards. It was the advent of David Cameron that moved me away from being very angry over Iraq towards thinking about what might be lost if Labour lost. For the first time I thought, I need to do my bit. I started blogging and joined B4L. B4L offered me the chance to read other Labour bloggers for the first time, and I got sucked in. I found all the discussions of party affairs here and on Labourhome, intriguing and it made me want to join the party. "You've been brainwashed", my husband said, when I told him and he tried to disuade me. His main fear is that his family will find out (they are Tories), so we've decided to keep it a secret from them so there will be peace at Christmas!
I think I got carried away replying to this question - looking for my motivation ended up being a bit lengthy... All the details - from Paul Flynn motivating me as a 16 year old onwards - can be found here.
Politics was hardly, if ever, discussed in my house. Not when I was growing up anyway - when my mother took up teaching in the 80s she started talking about Kenneth Baker a lot though.
As a child politicians to me were just extra characters who Mike Yarwood 'did' on Saturday nights. I knew Ted Heath laughed with his shoulders, Denis Healy had big eyebrows and said "silly billy" and Harold Wilson smoked a pipe. The first time I knew anything about the substance or policies of a politician was when the chant "Maggie Thatcher milk snatcher" started doing the rounds in our primary school.
I grew up as one of three children brought up by our mother. We lived in a privately-rented bungalow with an outside toilet. We used to visit my grandad to take a bath. As far as we were concerned he lived in luxury - he was a caretaker on a council estate so lived in a council house with central heating. Most of my uncles and great uncles worked for the family building firm or at the local Ford tractor factory.
The day we were kicked out of our house and moved to a council place in about 1976 it felt like we had really come up in the world. We even got our first telephone about a year later to celebrate, although we still had no car. I know it sounds like a variation of the Monty Python 'Four Yorkshiremen' sketch but when all people know of me is that my mother was a teacher, father was a sort of accountant and I went to a boarding school it doesn't really sum up my early life experience properly.
When I started taking an interest in politics at this time, it seemed natural to feel more of an affinity to the Labour party and the coming of Thatcher coinciding with my time at college made it more of a conviction.
After college I moved to London and tried to join the Putney labour party. Due to extreme inefficiency they never could find out who looked after that sort of thing so I never did join, despite going to some of the meetings and helping out at elections and counts. Living in London at that time there always seemd to be a CND rally, March for Jobs or anti-apartheid gathering up in town. Politics was a lot more confrontational with a clear gap between US and Them. I don't think I ever gave much thought about what I stood for - it was more a time for knowing what you stood against.
For many years, about the time I concentrated more on my work, marriage and all that, until I moved out of London and out to Sussex. I was never active in politics in that time, except for standing up to be couted at the big marches and having terrible nights with friends and beer watching election results, but when I moved out of town I finally got round to actually joining the Labour party - via the national head office.
When I received invitations to meetings I went. It seemed rude not to. If I knew how few members do actually go to meetings I might not have done! Before I knew it I had regular commitments for deliveries of newsletters, and started getting roped into odd jobs.
It never occurred to me to join any other party, although now this is as much through conscious decision as through some class-based instinct. However, when I find myself in disagreement with some policy what keeps me in the party is the old anti-Tory drive.
Just to keep things together, Cllr Kris Brown has posted a long piece.
Bloggers4Labour, you may be wondering why my site is down. That's because I had to close it today. I'm not going to go into detail but because of 'rude comments' and 'swearing' by certain anonymous contributers, my role as a Councillor could be in trouble.
I want to thank you for all the great times we've had on the site.
A number of people phoned me rather upset that the blog had to go but I think it's better going out on a high.
I will now retire gracefully as one of the Iain Dale top 100 bloggers but will continue to annoy you on your site.
"And now, the end is near..."
Is it that simple? Seems a bit disproportionate. Could a few people therefore close down all local government sites by anonymously posting rude comments?
I see the URL has already been snapped up by a link farm.
That does seem a bit hasty, Kris. You could have simply closed the comments.
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