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Saturday, July 29, 2006

Immigration amnesty - 12 comments

Jon Rogers wants the trade union movement, through the TUC, to commit to supporting an amnesty for migrant workers, and cites the following principles, agreed at UNISON's conference:
  1. That no worker should be classed as illegal.
  2. All workers have a right to put a roof over their head and food on the table.
  3. All workers should enjoy the same rights at work, including the right to organise a union.
  4. It is not the workers who should be blamed, prosecuted and deported for working here without papers, it is the employers and gangmasters who make it possible. Only with an amnesty for the workers and a few company directors prosecuted will we see any improvement in this shameful situation.
(1), (2), (3), and the first half of (4) are pretty fundamental. I'm not entirely convinced about the need to convict company directors - without an employer who may profit by employing them, how could the migrant work? - unless that employer is exploiting the migrant's precarious position by making unreasonable demands, or offering conditions that only somebody who was in fear of the authorities could accept.

'Legitimising' workers benefits migrants, the government, and taxpayers too. Does it encourage more economic migration to the UK (you might expect so), or are the possibilities already so tempting that the elasticity of immigration levels with regard to 'leniency of approach' is likely to be particularly low for the UK? I don't have those figures.

To sum up, I would definitely support an amnesty of the sort proposed.

However, I'd much rather it was unnecessary and that we were able to lift all restrictions on migration (if only there wasn't those pesky social problems). After all, the whole point of amnesties is that they're irregular and infrequent, perhaps in reaction to exceptional events a government could not have predicted. Whatever the economic benefits, it would be undemocratic to claim to be following a policy intended to reduce some disfavoured type of immigration but to deliberately not carry the policy out - or only do so half-heartedly - and to use regular amnesties to express the government's real intentions. More honest would be to remove the illegality that cause immigrants to 'disappear' in the first place and apply any new benefits (as a whole, not merely social security) to all existing economic migrants, rather than go down the amnesty route, reasserting existing laws and restrictions, and only lifting them for those fortunate enough to be here now.

12 comments so far...

At 3:19 AM, July 30, 2006, Anonymous Bart M Cajas said...

Hey, you can not distinguish between illegal and legal alien. Illegal alien is one who is here without documents while legal came here through channels.

   
At 8:27 AM, July 30, 2006, Blogger Jon Rogers said...

Yes, personally I agree that immigration controls should be done away with - workers should be free to work anywhere and our Labour and trade union movement should see our role as organising and representing all those workers.

However, for now, I think it is useful to argue the case for the TUC - and then the Labour Party and I hope the Labour Government - to adopt at least the reasonable case for an amnesty being advanced by UNISON and the TGWU.

   
At 1:12 PM, July 30, 2006, Blogger Neil Harding said...

The big question is (as you suggest) 'will an amnesty encourage more migrants to come?'

I don't know the answer to that, but I suspect the impact would be minimal. I think the current situation is so bad, a one off amnesty would allow us to clean the slate and start again.

I have been in fvaour of an amnesty for a long time. As you point out, an amnesty would benefit migrants, the govt and taxpayers.

It may be unfair to favour those who are already here and stop future migrants but we cannot have free movement of people while the world is so unequal. That is the problem that has to be fixed.

   
At 3:12 PM, July 30, 2006, Blogger Bloggers4Labour said...

Bart: (a) you yourself provide one way of telling them apart, but (b) the whole point of the amnesty is to say that we don't care any more if they were illegal.

Jon: yes, that sounds sensible.

   
At 11:25 PM, July 31, 2006, Blogger Andrew said...

If the Government could (but it can’t) expel all so call “illegal” immigrants then the economy would be in serous trouble. Given most people don’t want the economy to be in trouble, then the only, CAPITALIST solution to this problem is an amnesty. We can discuss a socialist one at length later.

   
At 6:25 PM, August 02, 2006, Blogger Praguetory said...

The idea of an amnesty is ridiculous. Please do your homework - refer to Spanish experience.

Illegal working is a major problem for any economy as it can make it impossible for law-abiding business to survive and encourages worker exploitation. The way to tackle that is by having punitive sanctions against companies/indiviudals employing illegal workers. Choke off the supply of work to illegal workers in this way and they will move on so there will be no need to deport etc.

I must pass on this link to floating voters. Your plans for the UK originate from cloud cuckoo-land.

   
At 8:20 PM, August 02, 2006, Blogger Bloggers4Labour said...

Thanks for introducing yourself, PT.

Illegal working is a major problem for any economy as it can make it impossible for law-abiding business to survive and encourages worker exploitation... Choke off the supply of work to illegal workers in this way and they will move on so there will be no need to deport etc.

Yes, to the first point, but why would I want to choke it off at all? Why not let the free labour market operate and remove the question of illegality altogether: reduces exploitation, gives opportunities to migrants, and benefits our economy.

I must pass on this link to floating voters.

If you have it within your power to do so, you have my full blessing.

   
At 10:15 PM, August 02, 2006, Blogger Praguetory said...

I am in favour of quality immigration. You seem to be in favour of an open the floodgates approach - pretty similar to the one Labour have been running, but at least you're honest. So whilst countries such as Canada, Australia and even my current home the Czech Republic apply criteria to immigrants so that they get the best you think it makes economic sense for the UK to accept the leftovers? You may be interested in a recent article by Deborah Orr where she effectively said that we should open borders so that people keep coming until the UK's just as miserable as the places they come from. Maybe she feels immune from the inevitable negative social consequences but I can't endorse this decivilisation.

   
At 10:30 PM, August 02, 2006, Blogger Jon Rogers said...

but why can't all the Tories go to Prague? Alternatively why should the poor Czechs have to put up with expatriate UK rightwingers?

   
At 10:45 PM, August 02, 2006, Blogger Bloggers4Labour said...

For one thing, there's no such thing as "quality", but there are skills in demand and, at the moment, that works in the UK's favour. If things were to turn around, we'd be glad for the chance to get work elsewhere and not have tabloid words like "floodgates" bandied about.

In my original piece I didn't go all the way to backing completely open borders, because of a recognition of the past and future impact on, well, working class communities. I would have liked to, though, as well as to support the communities that are most often affected by rapid social change.

   
At 5:51 AM, August 03, 2006, Blogger Praguetory said...

Jon - lots of Tories are in Prague and other locations worldwide. I still have my vote in the UK - does that irritate you?

B4L - In your original post you may not have advocated open borders but in your post on this thread you do, so that's what I responded to. I'm using emotive language because your idea would be so damaging.

I'm not sure what are "the skills that are in demand". Unemployment has been rising month on month for over a year. If you mean people to pick fruit, these workers should be allowed temporary residence, if you mean doctors and nurses then we should train enough and stop raping the resources of developing nations. Of course, big business farms etc will always advocate having a bigger labour supply - there would be no end to population growth if you took their views as a cue.

   
At 10:44 AM, October 17, 2006, Blogger ukcoder said...

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