Search:

Last 3 Posts @ May 16, 2008 1:04:45 PM EDT

Communist? You're Fired! (9 mins ago)

...no, that was not a line uttered by Sir Alan Sugar, but one potentially spoken in the state of California where being a communist was still a sackable offfense. &nbs...

Rantings of a Socialist Madman

Hull City 4-1 Watford. Strangers on a Train (24 mins ago)

Hull City’s biggest ever game. We are going to Wembley for the first time in our unremarkable 104 year history and I heard about the whole match via text messages and...

Dermot

A positive development for the rights of union members (36 mins ago)

A little more than a year ago I expressed my concern here at a decision to prevent a UNISON member standing for election to the National Executive Council because they...

Jon's union blog

Monday, May 22, 2006

Not in control / Immigration - 11 comments

I had intended to post this on Wednesday night, but hopefully it's still relevant. Think back to the heady days of early last week, when illegal immigration was 'out of control', and Tony Blair's response to Conservative taunts was to get tough. This is how the BBC covered it:
The vast bulk of foreign prisoners should be deported whatever the dangers in their home nations, says Tony Blair.

Mr Blair told MPs he was prepared to change the law to ensure most foreign prisoners were deported automatically.

Downing Street later said some prisoners could avoid deportation in "very few exceptional cases" such as a known threat to an individual.
That isn't being in control - it's cravenly, thoughtlessly advancing down a wrong and damaging road that appeals to bigots, and disregards more imaginative solutions, a few of which are set out below.

OK, maybe the authorities are generous, and perhaps many of those who claim to be at risk in their home nation are pulling a fast one, but why should we allow people who may be able to offer this country all sorts of advantages be condemned to punishment in less enlightened countries simply so that politicians here can maintain the fantasy that they are able to control access to a highly attractive economy and society, using staff who aren't motivated, and who don't believe the task is feasible?

Let's face it, we're not really prepared to live with the consequences of erecting a (squiggly) ring of steel around the country, and why should we? The economic case as outlined here and here (do check the comments though) for opening borders - allowing free movement of labour - is very strong. Even stronger if it allows the Home Office and immigration apparatus to be dismantled.

Politicians seem to believe that their countries really are islands, and that deporting foreign criminals is a simple and effective way of reducing domestic crime. Few seem to be imaginative enough, to have a sound enough commitment to universal human rights, or indeed sufficiently capable of resisting bigoted, nationalistic public and press reaction to regard the loss of a murdered citizen in a criminal's home country to be equal to the loss of a British citizen. National police forces should co-operate internationally, tackling crime wherever it is committed, and punishing criminals as close to where the crime was committed as possible - providing the country concerned conforms to the appropriate standards regarding the treatment of prisoners - rather than foisting the problem on the home government. That's the correct approach now, with our porous borders, and once this system works, one more objection to the full opening of borders is lifted.

Wouldn't that give other governments the incentive to open their prisons and shoo their undesirables over to the UK, as suggested here? In theory, yes, but there are ways around that. The first thing you can do is, rather than open your border unilaterally, sign agreements with other governments that start the ball rolling by bringing down internal borders, as per the Schengen Agreement, but extending the agreement to new countries over time. It ties each government together in public, eliminating the incentive to cheat. Alternatively, immigration authorities could operate under central management, so that no country's border watchers may be taken advantage of for one government's advantage.

Chris Dillow raises the issue of whether economic migrants ought to be granted 'claim' rights in addition to the 'liberty' rights that all inhabitants of a 'free country' must expect. For example: access to social security, and access to free primary and secondary education for one's dependents. At least in the short term the economic advantages from immigration would be greater for a country that didn't grant these rights by default, and it might even grant popular legitimacy. But why have claim rights at all, if it wasn't to save people from starving to death on the streets or in some darkened hovel, resorting to crime, or activities that no human being ought to be forced into doing? We expect economic migrants to be smart, hardworking, and optimistic enough to stand a good chance of making a success in their new country, but not all will succeed, and with few assets, and perhaps no family at all to help them, the slide into crime and the black economy could be a very rapid one. If we deny economic immigrants rights to benefits that we give to UK citizens purely on the basis of their citizenship, and irrespective of their hard work and contribution to the economy, either because of the perceived cost (disregarding the evidence that such migrants are generally substantial net contributors) or because of the antagonism of other groups, then that weakens our claim to support universal human rights.

Another argument that's raised is that we denude the infrastructure of 'donor' countries by 'taking' their highly skilled workers to fill our own vacancies. I don't think this is too difficult a point to win, however. There are a number of points to be made:
  • Economic migrancy is not necessarily permanent: skilled workers may well return, with experiences they would not have been able to gain at home. They can pass these skills on to others.
  • The home country is helped even before that: money is sent home, and foreign language skills can be passed back. A new communications channel is opened.
  • Donor countries will not be as squeamish as we are in a 'host' country. Provided money and skills gained are sent home, countries with few other marketable assets should not be denied the opportunity to trade their human resources with the rest of the World.
  • Specialisation: the economic value of a skill depends entirely upon its context. Nursing is a worthy calling - and Malawi 'produces' them, eager for experience, in great numbers - but their economic value is derived from the unquenchable demands of our NHS. Malawi's health needs are far more pressing - in a human sense - than are our own (life expectancy at birth: 41-42 years) but their problems would be better served through immunisation, technology, organisation, and tackling HIV/AIDS, not more nurses.
The economic case for immigration does seem to be pretty clear - a consensus even, as Owen argues. But what about social factors? It's easy for economists to talk about a free market in immigration, such that the levels of immigration wax and wane according to the demand from host countries and supply from the 'donor' countries, but much immigration is the consequence of failed states, absolute poverty, and human rights abuse. If these issues can be tackled, that part of migrancy that is needless dislocation - and mass exodus - can be reduced.

Social disruption in host/recipient countries cannot be ignored either. Cultures - not amorphous 'national' cultures - but ones based around particular regions, quarters of cities, neighborhoods, occupations, and informal social groups, don't grow up overnight, and when they are fractured they can cause long-lasting social problems. So the ebb and flow of population movement - which absolutely need not relate to different races, religions, or even nationalities - that economists welcome may cause damage on the ebb that cannot be repaired in kind on the flow. Something is lost, and some cultures may not be easily recreated. Pub Philosopher has covered this here. What solutions can the left offer to tackle the social dislocation that migration causes, other than ridiculing the BNP, or abandoning economics in favour of tabloid headline-grabbing?

I haven't seen a lot of blog coverage of these issues, but bowblog's article is excellent:
The lesson is one we've failed to learn before: social change, when it comes, hits working class communities hardest. These communities have no buffer, no wiggle room and nowhere to go. Prosperity, once you've got it, provides insulation from nasty stresses of all kinds...

Poor communities just have to put up with it. As for mass immigration, big populations have been moving around the planet for economic reasons for hundreds of years and the poor have always held the role of unappointed welcome committees in pressure cooker communities like the North Side of Chicago, London's East End and the housing estates of suburban Paris.

[...]

Our effort, in the wealthy world, (where, let's face it, immigrants are going to continue to arrive in large numbers if we're to remain wealthy) must go into improving the capacity of our reception communities (Barking, Keighley, Burnley and all the rest), boosting the resilience of the bottom social tier, taking working class grievances seriously and easing the pressures produced by ineluctable change. The goal must be to build social solidarity, to neutralise the embitterment and disconnection that feeds the fascists.
Lance Knobel, David Aaronovitch, Matt at Dirty Leftie, and Tom at NewerLabour are also have also been talking about this.

Well, that's it for now.

11 comments so far...

At 9:51 AM, May 22, 2006, Anonymous chris said...

Excellent post.
You're right - my distinction between the liberty rights and claim rights of migrants is morally tricky. Its merits are practical, not philossphical. Recognizing migrants' liberty rights to come here, but not their claim rights to benefits, would avoid a mass of migrants coming purely for benefits. And it would kill off the opposition to immigration that's based on "they're taking our money" arguments. I suspect that removing this ground from the anti-immigration camp would weaken their case enormously.

   
At 3:29 PM, May 22, 2006, Blogger El Tom said...

aaah... that bowblog post is so on the ball...

   
At 4:52 PM, May 22, 2006, Anonymous Waspish said...

Your argument for denuding Malawi of its nurses is exceedingly weak. Just who do you imagine would be at the forefront of efforts to improve immunisation, tackle HIV/AIDS and to increase access to new health technologies?

You acknowledge that Malawi's health needs are more pressing than the West's but your solution seems to be to remove whole swathes of highly-skilled health professionals.

The evidence tends to show that they don't return home with their knowledge and skills either, and as there is no reciprocity in this arrangement (Western staff going in significant numbers to Malawi/insert name of developing country here), it is grossly unfair and insupportable to continue to entice nurses here.

   
At 8:42 PM, May 22, 2006, Blogger Bloggers4Labour said...

I'm making an economic point, waspish. Malawi is very good at producing nurses, but not necessarily very good at producing/mobilising drugs, or dealing with disasters, and the status of nurses in Malawi will be high. Here, in the UK, fewer people are willing to be nurses at the pay rates and terms on offer. We're trading - to some extent - our scientific skills for their labour skills. That's good business for both sides, and it makes both sides richer. Of course we could raise the profile of nursing to such a degree that the numbers could be made up entirely by Brits. Why though? Would the quality of care be any better? It would be more expensive for us, we'd be less able to help the Malawians with drugs, and there'd be no place for their nurses. Everyone's poorer.

It's not at all about reciprocity - Malawi doesn't want our nurses, and France doesn't want our grapes - it's about matching up demand and supply, the very basis of trade throughout human history.

Of course we should give them aid on the top of that - because we can and we should, but trade is much better in the long run.

   
At 9:08 PM, May 22, 2006, Blogger johnwest said...

I agree with the broad thrust of your argument, but it falls apart a bit when you say "We're trading - to some extent - our scientific skills for their labour skills. That's good business for both sides, and it makes both sides richer."

As far as I can see, there is no contract declaring that because we've bagged some of their nurses that we'll bung 'em some technical know-how and maybe throw in some pills.

It would be different if that were the case - I'd stand beside you - but until there is a degree of reciprocity...

   
At 9:42 PM, May 22, 2006, Blogger Bloggers4Labour said...

Yes, you're quite right to point out that it's not a bilateral trade.

The Malawian nurses realise what the situation is in the UK, see the opportunity, and take advantage of it.

Perhaps it didn't help to bring up the 'other side' at all - can't see the suitability of the competitive advantage point there, now I come to think of it.

   
At 11:09 PM, May 22, 2006, Blogger johnwest said...

I should add again that I *really* like where you're headed in this debate, I think your post is nicely concise, too.

But I do think we need to chew the fat a bit over how we square the circle of employing "Malawian nurse". For my money, I don't think anything you have said precludes us ^from taking an internationalist viewpoint committing ourselves to redouble our efforts in terms of intelligent aid and debt relief. Perhaps we can get micro-credits onto the G8 agenda, too. This direction has the virtue of continuing on ground Labour is both familiar with and strong on.

   
At 7:55 AM, May 23, 2006, Anonymous waspish said...

I'm making an economic point, waspish. Malawi is very good at producing nurses, but not necessarily very good at producing/mobilising drugs, or dealing with disasters, and the status of nurses in Malawi will be high. Here, in the UK, fewer people are willing to be nurses at the pay rates and terms on offer. We're trading - to some extent - our scientific skills for their labour skills.

Well, no we aren't, because Malawi doesn't benefit from this arrangement to any great extent. The families of individual nurses may be the recipients of money sent home from abroad, but really - is this an appropriate way of assisting a country that is staffing our NHS?

That's good business for both sides, and it makes both sides richer.

But it doesn't. Malawi's healthcare system remains poor in terms of money AND human resources, while the NHS coins it in!

Of course we could raise the profile of nursing to such a degree that the numbers could be made up entirely by Brits. Why though? Would the quality of care be any better? It would be more expensive for us, we'd be less able to help the Malawians with drugs, and there'd be no place for their nurses. Everyone's poorer.

That's not what I'm suggesting. What we need to do is to remove some of the "push" and "pull" factors that lead to Malawi's nurses deserting their own country to come here. We need to provide real help to the healthcare systems of developing countries like Malawi by helping them improve pay and conditions and training opportunities.

It's not at all about reciprocity - Malawi doesn't want our nurses, and France doesn't want our grapes - it's about matching up demand and supply, the very basis of trade throughout human history.

Woah there - what evidence do you have that Malawi "doesn't want our nurses"? It's not as if they have nurses to spare - I remember reading somewhere that nearly every nurse trained in Malawi ends up heading for Europe. That cannot be a satisfactory arrangement for a country with such pressing health needs.

   
At 1:07 PM, May 26, 2006, Blogger Courtney Hamilton said...

Why is it that Labour supporters, support nearly every single human freedom there is, except for the freedom of people to migrate to these shore's 'freely without let or hindrance'?

What's wrong with an 'open door' policy? What's wrong with real freedom? Shouldn't the issue of migration be about freedom, instead of more controls?

   
At 1:29 PM, May 26, 2006, Blogger Bloggers4Labour said...

I hoped I'd addressed that in the post, but there's the "building popular legitimacy" argument - which is distasteful, but perhaps one of those things that states/communities need and that individuals don't. There's also the point that communities are "destabilised" by (depending on your view) rapid population changes / large numbers of people appearing from different cultures. Another is that with unrestricted migration, there's no "induction" process into the country. That wouldn't have to involve saluting flags or taking tests, but could just be advice and education.

I certainly came to this from a position of wanting to remove all barriers to the free movement of labour, but don't think I can back that yet.

   
At 1:31 PM, May 26, 2006, Blogger Bloggers4Labour said...

People are also conservative, occasionally racist, and quite probably so immersed in anti-immigration propaganda that the very idea of the removal of all barriers would look completely implausible.

   

Post a Comment

<< Home

B4L Running Costs

£1,743.05 spent so far this year, which could be met by a donation of £3.44 per blogger.




Join the Labour Party
Sign the Euston Manifesto


Wikispaces