Liberty Central - 4 comments
Talk Politics has been busy, aided and abetted by past B4L commenters, Bishop Hill and MatGB, plus several others, on what is intended to be a non-partisan, libertarian blog project. A new coalition of anti-authoritarian forces, it is intended to be.
We noticed the early rumblings, had a bit of a chat about this on Friday, and it's something that we're keeping an eye on.
It could be very interesting - if it holds together. Provided the campaign sticks to - what I take to be the fundamental aims - radical constitutional change, and opposition to centralised and bureaucratic government, then I'm sure most of us would support it. Not that that should be too surprising, though - everyone knows we've wanted it to happen for years.
What I like about this simple approach is that it's something that a huge number of people - on all sides - can agree on, is sufficiently valuable, and radical, for people to remain committed to it, while avoiding fetishising New Labour (sorry, NuLab), and treating them as special cases.
The next step in the plan (or the first step in some people's plans) appears to be the "Anyone but Labour" electoral campaign, which we couldn't possibly support. Anyone but Labour? No, that's totally irresponsible, even if a new website does appear to help you pick out the 'moral' candidate from the 'immoral' one. I'm afraid that as soon as I hear "Bliar", "Safety Elephant", "intrinsic bias", and - especially - "Infrastructure of a Police State, just waiting for the switch to be pressed", I hear a mass movement being jeapordised.
Thus far, there doesn't seem to have been a lot of thought on the following issues:
- Libertarianism, especially on the web, seems to have been the preserve of obsessives, either frustrated with, or alienated from, the rough and tumble of real-world politics. Moreover, libertarian politicians rarely seem to win the hearts and minds of those motivated by the building of new schools and hospitals, or tax cuts - the fare of traditional British politics. So what likelihood is there of future success?
- What role for politicians? You can manipulate the (current) electoral system to prevent those judged 'authoritarian' from being elected, but doesn't that (a) merely create a vacuum for other politicians to 'put national security first'?, and (b) fail to address who politicians are, what motivates them, and what the electorate are looking for? What politician can ever be really trusted to reform their own department? And if politicians as a class are to be dispensed with, what of democracy?
- Though I haven't entirely had the enthusiasm sucked out of me, and my soul hammered wafer-thin, what achievements can British political bloggers - puff pieces aside - really point to?
So, really, the obvious thing is for us all to concentrate what few political resources we can on a genuinely cross-party constitutional change agenda, booting the "Anyone but Labour" campaign down to page 39 or thereabouts.
Yawn!
That's it for now.










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4 comments so far...
I couldn't agree more. The 'Anyone but Labour' crew are Lib Dems, petrified that they are going to be stuffed by Cameron, they are trying to realign themselves with disaffected Labour people to try to win their votes. As ever, they are entirely untrustworthy and if they thought they had a sniff of the slightest personal gain by embracing the Tories they would be off there. That is what they are seeking... Anyone but Labour to give us a Tory/Lib Dem coalition in power. Anyone who thinks that will be one jot more progressive than Blair/Brown is off their rocker.
In order to avoid arguments about the very definition of liberty, those of us interested in this project might be wise to separate "democratic and civil liberties" from "economic and social rights".
For me, as a democratic socialist, the both are necessary to make sure people are truly free. However, a non-partisan coalition can be built quite easily on the first - and such is the damage to these liberties already that we should work with people to secure their future.
But Andrew is spot on when he talks about the relative failure of blogs to influence. Aside from the Guardian's obsession with them, they remain a parlour game for those of us interested in others' opinions.
Which is not to say that the coalition is a bad idea, so long as it is more of a campaign guide than a comment node.
As a Labourite, I am more interested in how we can get Labour MPs to wake up to the importance of liberties (this is essential to create the libertarian socialism mny of us on here want to see). Andrew is right that civil liberties remain, at the moment, the special interest of the few. But if there are a thousand (at least) in each constituency, it gets dangerous for sitting Labour MPs on wafer-thin majorities.
As we have seen on the education bill, pressure for compromise still comes best through traditional campaigning: pressure groups, meetings and pamphlets.
With one pamphlet, a meeting with Kinnock, Compass had the leadership having to rethink (a little).
We would achieve more by persuaing Compass/Catalyst/Fabians to publish a left defence of civil liberties and back it up with high-profile speakers. From this, a coherent campaign would be more than likely to emerge.
Me and Bob Piper have already voiced our opposition to this project. We have been accused of 'not getting it'.
If it is GENUINELY about opposition to authoritarianism in govt (any govt!), then fair enough.
But from what I can see, this is infected too much by the 'anything but Labour' crew and getting rid of Labour won't help reform our system. I hope it is not about that (I really hope I am wrong) but its seems to me that civil liberties is just a convenient cover for these people. Whether accidently or not, a lot of Labour people could get suckered into campaigning to remove their party from power.
It is Labour that has introduced devolution, PR in regions/Euro elections, numerous advances in gay rights, reduced poverty (because this is a civil liberties issue as well don't forget), freedom of information, human rights act, partially reformed 2nd chamber (with promises of more to come), and possibly could still give us a referendum on electoral reform (it's in the manifesto). I think Labour just need a little shove in the right direction (well alright maybe a big shove).
This can be done by those who care about civil liberties really pushing it within the party. Because yes, even I agree that 'some' measures like the leg and reg bill, glorification etc are ill advised and bad legislation. But as Bob Piper points out on his blog, these things can be reversed almost overnight, whereas the damage the Tories would do to public services would damage a generation just like Thatcher did. And for what? Less Tory MPs voted against Iraq and they love George Bush. They would be worse on civil liberties (remember internment) and the economy and ruin public services into the bargain.
Even if the campaign is genuinely not anti-labour in its motives, it is too dangerous. I cannot support it.
My motive, is very much pro-liberties. I've long been a constitutional reformer (signed Charter 88 14 years ago), and you're right, in some ways, certain elements (mostly, I strongly assert, disillusioned Labour supporters) have got carried with the partizan nature of elements of it.
I've voted Labour in the past, when I lived in a different seat (Exeter, Ben Bradshaw, 2001).
I also like the way Bob Piper thinks it's a LibDem plot; the two strongest negative voices haven't been Labour, but LibDems. How is it a plot of LibDems, when two prominent LibDem bloggers are opposed?
I am very genuinely opposed to anti-authoritarianism, and the measures this govt it taking that are authoritarian. This govt has done some very good things. But they're ruining that with their recent measures.
Any Labour MPs/supporters that want to come on board, join the debate and make sure it stays non-partizan, more than welcome, especially for the Liberty Central project, which is a seperate branch from the probably tactical voting campaign.
They need to be divorced from each other; yes, they came out of my initial post, but both had been planned separately anyway.
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