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Bloggers4Labour Summer Essays #3 - 12 comments

The series continues! Here's Neil Harding's piece on poverty in Britain. Neil also goes on to cover income inequality, economic productivity, health, crime, and housing, so I hope to see some interesting comments on this.

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Tackling Poverty in Britain
"Poor people I have met, both in my own country and abroad, are less interested in relative poverty than in whether they get enough to eat, access to decent services, and a few simple enjoyments. Those who campaign on their behalf focus instead on the gap between rich and poor. A popular definition has it that those in receipt of less than half the average income are living in poverty, and their children are 'brought up in poverty.' Others talk of the gap between rich and poor and say that if inequalities in society increase, then so does poverty.

Their surveys point to huge numbers who 'experience poverty' at some point in their lives. In their terms this is true. Many students would be included, as well as other young people struggling to get by on starting salaries while facing the costs of accommodation and travel. I have certainly been there.

But even on the relative definition, there is not a fixed pool of people 'mired in poverty.' It is a rotating pool which people move into and out of. It is also true that as society grows richer, inequalities tend to increase. If in a society of two, I earn 80 dollars and the other guy gets 20 dollars, there is inequality. Indeed, since he gets less than half the average, he is poor on the relative definition. Now if we both get twice as rich, I am on 160 dollars, while he is on 40 dollars. The gap has grown from 60 dollars to 120 dollars. So even though everyone is twice as rich as before, 'poverty' has increased. It is a poor definition which allows this.
Perhaps we should forget this relative stuff and try to make sure people get enough to eat, decent accommodation, and access to services."
This is the argument of Dr Madsen Pirie at the Adam Smith Institute. It is typical of the argument of the 'right' against the 'idea' of relative poverty.

So are they right?

If we ignore the fact that absolute poverty is currently increasing in the world and in the UK, and social mobility is low and in decline in most neo-liberal economies (despite Dr Pirie's claims to the contrary), then would increased inequality nevertheless be justified if absolute poverty were being reduced?

Dr Pirie's argument basically rests on two flawed axioms;

One is that the most efficient way to increase wealth is to increase inequality and the other is that the inequality itself is not in any way harmful to a society. I would argue that both these axioms are wrong.

Scandinavia and Germany are prime examples of why inequality has little or no detrimental effect on economic efficiency. If it did surely these countries would not have levels of prosperity and productivity in excess of countries like the UK, which has much higher inequality and lower productivity.

But more important than this, is the damage that inequality does to a society. I would argue that everyone, including the rich would benefit from a more equal society. There is a strong correlation between income inequality and crime and income inequality and health/epidemiology. Both of which affect the rich as well as the poor.

Apart from these massive empirical imperatives to reduce income inequality, there is still the 'moral' argument for the 'right' to contend with.

The 'right' often argue that any attempt by government to reduce income inequality is the 'politics of envy'. This is argued as though they are talking from the moral high ground. Lets just imagine that it is pure envy that drives the 'left' (and I don't believe this for a minute). If so, where is the moral high-ground in being extremely wealthy while others in society are poverty stricken? Their argument does not stand up to any scrutiny.

Then let me explain why it is not the 'politics of envy' to want to reduce inequality. If this inequality has come about largely by meritocratic means then maybe the 'right' would have some justification for their argument. This is something the 'right' often tries to play on, with their emphasis on the 'self made millionaire' and their lauding of the 'free market' (like it was some natural phenomenon). The truth however is that most rich have inherited rather than created their wealth and the 'free market' is no such thing, based as it is on monopolistic distortions of not just prices but also wages. How else can it be explained that someone is paid thousands or millions of times the wage of someone else? Could they possibly be this much more productive?

Now I have emphasised the importance of reducing income inequality in tackling poverty, I will look at the best ways to bring about this reduction in inequality.

Firstly, I would like to stress that we live in a world economy and though I will concentrate on how to combat UK poverty, this cannot be addressed in isolation from the rest of the world, due to the problem of 'social dumping'.

The most efficient way to tackle income inequality is through a Citizen's Income.
"A CITIZEN'S INCOME (CI) is an unconditional, non-withdrawable income payable to each individual as a right of citizenship."

The beauty of a CI is its universal nature, there is no means testing. This means huge savings can be made in cutting bureaucracy. Also the 'poverty trap' is removed as there is no financial penalty to finding work.

All other benefits and pensions would be replaced by the CI. A full CI would be enough to cover basic housing, food and utility costs. It would work something like this;

The government spends around £500 billion every year, around £170 billion of this is spent on social protection and associated bureaucracy. Why not turn this into a universal payment, (like child benefit), but to everyone. This alone works-out nearly £3000 for every man, woman and child in the country.

Scrap tax allowances and the NI ceiling and have one universal tax rate of 50%, ((50% of £4745) x 30m taxpayers + £35bn extra NI revenue + (30% of £31400) x 22m) and we raise another £230 billion, this puts our CI up to £6800 each per annum.

If we remember 20% of the population are under 16, whom we could pay a smaller amount to, of say £3400. This would mean each adult would get over £7500 p.a. (about £150 p.w.).
The tax-hike sounds a lot but, remember, every taxpayer receives the CI payment of £7500 net on top of their earnings, which means workers below median average earnings would actually be better off.

The next question would be what impact would this have on the labour market and especially the willingness to work?

People work for a variety of reasons, not just for their earnings. A CI would certainly mean that work conditions would have to improve and this would be a good thing. A CI would also mean there would be no need for a minimum wage, since people would no longer be totally dependent on an employer for income and could move about freely to the job they liked the best. In fact a lot of employer regulation could go because employees would be in a position to demand better working conditions. Employers would also have to pay a decent wage to attract people to the hardest jobs.

Because there is no penalty for working, people are in fact more likely to work than at present.

A CI could, at a stroke massively reduce inequality and therefore poverty. The problems of poverty would not disappear overnight, but over a generation this single policy could have a massive impact on society for the better, in terms of consideration for everyone's overall quality of life, which would no longer be counted purely in terms of GDP.

Of course a CI would be only part of a package of measures needed to alleviate poverty. Educational selection would also be very important and I would suggest that the brightest pupils from each state school should have reserved places at university. This would destroy the incentive for the middle class to concentrate their children in a few schools. As pupils learn just as much from their peers as from the teachers, this would be of benefit to all children. The current selection by wealth where parents 'buy' into the catchment areas of schools is fuelling the segregation of society between rich and poor and is unacceptable!

Inequality is also caused through ownership of housing and land. More low cost housing needs to be provided. It is a huge problem that housing is seen as an investment rather than just a home as this has detrimental effects on our saving and pensions industries.

The number of second homes is roughly equivalent to the number of homeless families. Couple this with the rise in single occupancy and it is not surprising that average household size has fallen from 2.86 to 2.36 since 1971. As Max Hastings in the Guardian suggests 'many British families are over housed', and it is this as much as a shortage of low cost housing which is driving the house price rise that is so detrimental to the poor.

Apart from building more houses (mostly on brown-field sites so they are energy efficient, i.e. near work places) to drive down prices, we need financial disincentives to reduce the number of people buying second homes.

Just these few simple measures would massively alleviate poverty. Poverty is not something that is with us forever, but is a deliberate policy over generations which will take generations to correct. But with the political will it could happen. I believe there is a majority of people who want inequality reduced in this way. The question is how do we harness this and turn it into pressure on politicians to make this happen? I believe electoral reform and media reform are needed for the people to be truly represented. Get these changes and equality will be much easier to achieve and poverty will be on its way to eradication.

12 comments so far...

At 9:17 PM, August 22, 2005, Blogger Neil Harding said...

Andrew, What did you think of my views?

   
At 1:12 AM, August 23, 2005, Blogger Bloggers4Labour said...

I haven't had time to read through all the articles you've linked to, though I wouldn't myself have conflated the four issues of equality, efficiency, productivity, and wealth creation. There are all sorts of issues, for example:

Efficiency and labour productivity are not necessarily related, and depend upon the capital/labour balance. For example, a resource-rich USA used to be outproduce a labour-dependent UK, while being, in some ways, inefficient (e.g. in use of natural resources). Furthermore, productivity is not necessarily related to wealth creation if goods are not produced at a price/quality point the market will bear. And then there are industries like, say, financial services, where manufacturing-oriented measures of productivity aren't relevant, day to day. Of course none of this necessarily means equality of income must actually be bad for the economy - it rather depends how it's achieved and what eggs, if any, might need breaking.

What sorts of equality might be actually beneficial for wealth creation? On the one hand, equality of income, on the other, equality of opportunity, or access to capital, or equal respect before the law? I'd be interested to see evidence that equality of income, in itself (factoring out other advantages that those countries with a more equitable income distribution might have: e.g. a German education system, or a very specialised/insulated economy), could improve wealth creation.

A standard, lazy criticism of the left (well, the non-free market left) is that they believe 'wealth' grows on trees, and that business carries on on its merry way with the issue for the government being, "how much can we take out of the system to redistribute without the economy stagnating". The pure free marketeers will concentrate upon wealth creation, concentrating upon other forms of equality, and relying upon trickle-down, self-interest, and moral factors to reduce income inequality. Perhaps the social/moral dimension is interesting: does income equality really matter, or should we be looking at quality of life? As the absolute differences in personal income (surely, only assets are a useful economic indicator) continue to increase, only these levels may be comparable in the future. Perhaps by failing to recognise public wealth (e.g. community resources, clean environment) and, indeed, the impact of drug dependency or poor housing, we're getting a false picture of the differences in quality of life between top and bottom (or 'high' and 'low')

I'm rambling a bit now, as I don't really have time to attempt a coherent argument (!), but there are plenty of interesting points in your article. The economics of wage determination, you're quite entitled to point out, is hardly a free market in a mature economy, with 'efficiency wages' paid to retain skills, reward unsociable work (as you say), and also 'attract the best', irrespective of any union activity.

You do mention 'destroying incentives' in at least one place, which certainly isn't the kind of language you hear nowadays. For example, with a Citizen's Income, what is the incentive to work? It's a fine thing, but is it compatible with the capitalist economy we find ourselves in?

All in all, I'm positive about the idea that those who have a wretched quality of life can be found a good and sustainable one, but there don't seem to be many good examples to follow.

Better stop there...

   
At 1:29 AM, August 24, 2005, Blogger Neil Harding said...

I tried to cram a lot in because poverty really cuts across everything- education, health, crime, housing, environment, income inequality etc etc..

I made the points as simple as I could and hoped the links would fill in some of the detail (unfortunately 2 of the links on crime and health have stopped working for some reason, so I will have to replace them!).

Anyway, I take your point on economic efficiency. It is difficult to make the argument either way. I do think that equality would improve efficiency in many areas, but I wanted to highlight how the right claims inequality is good for efficient economies, without any evidence to back this up.

I think there is growing evidence that a citizen's income would work. Like I say people work for loads of reasons and not that many people would take the 'malibu surfer option'!

Portugal now has a partial citizen's income. Of course child benefit is a citizen's income for children, and Labour has talked about a citizen's pension. Also the working families tax credits are a move in this direction but are bureaucratic!

What we need is a country to go the whole hog and implement it. Because of the radical changes needed it would have to be done in stages. There would be loads of cuts in bureaucracy and this would have to be done in stages.

We already have plenty of people sitting on benefit with no financial incentive to take work. Under a CI, all these people would be free to work and benefit the economy!

   
At 8:57 PM, August 25, 2005, Blogger Bishop Hill said...

B4L

It's worth taking some time to follow the links in the article because most of them don't support the statements made.

For example a link to the BBC World Service Africa season does not advance the thesis that absolute poverty is increasing in the world. It is not. As the World Bank has reported it has fallen because of the impact of free market reforms in China and India. You may detest capitalism but it saves lives.

The section of the IFS report linked says that absolute poverty has fallen under both Conservative and Labour governments.

In order of per capita GDP, the UK ranks ahead of Germany and Sweden, but behind Norway and Denmark. I would suggest Euroscepticism as a better guide to predicting prosperity.

The link to support the thesis that most of the rich have inherited their wealth is to an Observer article on reforms to inheritance tax. While it contains a statement about the proportion of national wealth owned by the richest, it says nothing about how they got that wealth.

You ask how to explain large income differentials, if not in terms of productivity. I suggest you study some economics! In a free market the price is set at a level which tends to match supply and demand. Skills which are in short supply and/or high demand will pay relatively more than those which are not. Productivity is only a secondary factor.

   
At 8:59 PM, August 25, 2005, Blogger Bishop Hill said...

Oh, and by the way, where does Madsen Pirie say that "the most efficient way to increase wealth is to increase inequality"? He says nothing like this in the article you quote.

   
At 6:17 PM, August 26, 2005, Blogger Neil Harding said...

Bishop hill, maybe the numbers in absolute poverty have decreased in Asia, but the depth of absolute poverty, i.e. the numbers actually dying is increasing, especially in Africa which is much poorer than it was even 3 decades ago. The world bank link you provide goes on to talk about this increased poverty.

Go talk to the people of South America or Africa who are suffering from IMF imposed madness, privatising their utility supplies (leading to dirty water supplies) and leaning on their governments to cut healthcare and education and then state 'capitalism saves lives'!

I do not 'detest capitalism' as you suggest but I do recognise the need to regulate its worst extremes. Do you deny the distortions of monopolies on wage levels?

If you look at figure 1 of the IFS link, you will see a 16% drop in income for the first percentile. Although this is qualified in the small print with 'lower incomes are difficult to measure', this seems quite a large rise in absolute poverty to me.

Lets look at some quotes from the Observer article I linked to on inherited wealth.

"Five per cent of the population, roughly the proportion that actually pay IHT, now own more than 40 per cent of all the wealth in the country."

Now lets think about what that means! Who are these people leaving their inheritance to? It obviously supports my assertion about how wealth is perpetuated by inheritance rather than through creation.

"wealth has been moved from young families and tenants to established homeowners: it has been a vast, unearned and largely untaxed redistribution."

Same again!

"inherited wealth is, after all, a windfall, and the pattern of inheritance contributes to the transmission of inequality from one generation to the next. Far from being a trivial source of wealth, inheritance could make up 35-45 per cent of total wealth, according to one study of America."

And again!

If we take your CIA source as gospel then the UK is fractionally ahead of Germany, France and Sweden by a few hundred dollars in terms of per capita GDP for 2004. These things of course vary widely depending on PPP comparisons etc. But even this doesn't spoil my argument that these countries that have more income equality (which you don't dispute), generally have higher productivity and no detrimental effects on economic efficiency.

Madsen Pirie implicitly argue that inequality is a price worth paying for economic efficiency throughout the whole argument. So to state this seems reasonable. Why else would he be arguing that income inequality doesn't matter if he didn't believe it increased economic efficiency. I will say more on this soon.

   
At 10:21 PM, August 28, 2005, Blogger Bishop Hill said...

Neil

You said:

"...the 'free market' is no such thing, based as it is on monopolistic distortions of not just prices but also wages."

This reads as a denial of the existence of any such thing as a free market. I am pleased to see that you don't in fact think this. On the basis of the World Bank report into poverty you would now agree that free market capitalism is the only way to help the poor? I accept that monopolies are likely to have a distorting effect on the market. I don't understand your reference to wages though. A monopoly in say the water industry doesn't have a monopoly in related labour markets too. eg its debt collection employees can all work in other markets.

I think all monopolies are a problem though, not just private sector ones.

All of the quotes you give would support a claim that there is a lot of inherited wealth around. None of them support a claim that most of the rich have inherited their wealth. Almost everyone inherits wealth at some point in their lives (hence the claim that 35-45 percent of wealth is inherited). Not everyone is rich.

You list some countries which you claim have lower income inequality, higher productivity and higher prosperity. You provide no links to support these claims. I have looked at one measure and found that your claim wasn't supported by the facts. I have no idea if the rest of your claims are true or not without knowing what evidence you use to arrive at your conclusions.

The order of per capita gdp is the same when PPP is taken into account.

Your claim was that Madsen Pirie has claimed that by increasing inequality we can increase wealth. This causal link between relative poverty and wealth is not even implied in his article which states clearly that "... we should forget this relative stuff...". He is saying it is irrelevant - and he shows how daft a measure it is.

   
At 1:14 PM, August 31, 2005, Blogger Devil's Kitchen said...

Inequality is also caused through ownership of housing and land.

Wrong way round, Neil. That some people own houses and land may be a symptom of inequality; it isn't a cause.

I particularly dislike the word "inequality"; it has nasty Communist overtones. It implies that we should all be equal, and therefore that we are all of equal worth; this is patently untrue (quite apart from the fact that I find the attempted homogenisation of people rather more than sinister).

DK

   
At 1:52 PM, August 31, 2005, Blogger Bloggers4Labour said...

Imagining myself as a kind of god or administrator just for a moment, if I didn't treat you equally I might not give you the vouchers you need to buy your health or education services, or I might not pay the same attention to the infringement of one of your rights by another party as I might for other people. I wouldn't be requiring equality of outcome, or even implying you have the same worth as another, but I'd be breaching equality of respect/concern (assuming that was in my remit).

So there's not much you can do if you don't allow any appeals to equality, even if you're a conservative.

   
At 7:06 PM, August 31, 2005, Blogger Neil Harding said...

Bishop Hill, I haven't got time to go into all the points you raise just yet, I might rewrite the essay to clarify a few points I was trying to make.

I just want to say that all parts of the market have monopolistic influences because a 'free market' requires infinite competition, infinite price and product knowledge etc. That is why regulation is needed to correct this monopolistic distortion.

Wages are affected because of the inertia of moving between jobs and retraining for other jobs.

Who sets the wages that decide that Michael Jordan should be payed more for a few adverts than the entire workforce who make Nike trainers?

This to me is an obvious distortion in the free market caused by a myriad of monopolies from limited media access right through to educational opportunities available to people in life.

Now I am not saying that people shouldn't be paid different wages. What I am saying is that inequality does damage to society demonstrated through differing crime rates, health problems, etc. between countries of similar average wealth but differing inequality.

I'll write more on this soon, I promise!

   
At 7:09 PM, August 31, 2005, Blogger Neil Harding said...

DK, if you are lucky enough to inherit a house or see your house price surge, then that is inequality 'caused' by ownership of housing.

   
At 10:13 PM, August 31, 2005, Blogger Bloggers4Labour said...

From an ethical point of view, you could concede the point that people who have gained from a house price rise on the basis of their skill in predicting the economic cycle, or by investing in the property (especially in a deprived area), they could be considered to have 'earned' some of that. But people ought not to benefit from a price rise solely on the basis of having bought at the 'right time'. That would increase inequality unjustly.

Exploiting land ownership to maintain high rents for people and for businesses, or to restrict the quality and quantity of land, is a classic economic evil. It could foster inequality insofar as it allows landlords to profit at the expense of the economy (or help prop up a regime that was aristocratic and undemocratic)

   

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