Search:

Last 3 Posts @ October 7, 2008 1:40:58 PM EDT

The screeching has resumed (10 mins ago)

FROM my office in the upper committee corridor of the House of Commons, I can hear a screeching. The door to the roof of the Commons is open because it’s a bit ...

And another thing...

Behavioural economics & financial capability (21 mins ago)

I've just come across this fascinating paper (PDF) commissioned by the FSA, looking into what behavioural economics can bring to attempts to improve financial capabili...

Labour And Capital

A challenging PMQs (36 mins ago)

I have said here before that PMQs owes more to show business than it does to politics - but in an era of 24 hour news it is still important. OK, not many people will w...

Bob Piper

Monday, July 25, 2005

Specious, self-exculpatory and hypocritical - 7 comments

Are we letting the big beasts of the Labour blogosphere trample us? Who are the pro-war left, and what right do they have to assert a moral and intellectual superiority over the rest of us? If you think this is a fair representation of the situation in 2005, read on. If not, let us know what you think.

Is there a level playing-field, or is one side running away with the ball?

Talk Politics has a long, detailed, and defiant post about the pro-war left - or, as some would dub them, the pro-war right. For him (and others), "root causes" is not a needle with which to sew up the mouths of dissenters. There's no doubt that millions of people are unsatisfied with the answers they have heard thus far. Likewise "fascist" - a term to be used with the utmost care.
There is a very good reason why we should, indeed we must, try to understand and explain terrorism. Why we cannot ignore the complex chains of cause and effect upon which it feeds and from which it draws both its ideological and material sustenance.

That reason is to be found not in modern political analysis and certainly not in the sophistry, rhetoric and propaganda of the pro-war left but in a single statement contained within a treatise on the subject of war written more than 2,000 years ago, a book entitled, prosaically enough, 'The Art of War'.

"Know your enemy and know yourself and in a hundred battles you will never be defeated" - Sun Tsu

You cannot defeat terrorism through ignorance of its drives, motives and objectives, by dehumanising the terrorist and turning them into a bogeyman, or by denying even the possibility, let alone reality, that own own actions have, in a multiplicity of ways, contributed to and, in some instances, created the context in which terrorism exists.
And, to conclude:
Ultimately the pro-war left's position on Al Qaeda and on the recent terrorist attacks on London is wrong, fundamentally wrong, because their goal is not just to oppose terrorism but to try to channel public anger over these attacks into support for the 2003 invasion of Iraq, an invasion which remains as illegal today as it was on the day it was launched irrespective of their efforts to rewrite history and sell Bush's great desert adventure as an act of 'humanitarian interventionism'.

Their position is, at once, specious, self-exculpatory and hypocritical, a product of intellectual dishonesty, propaganda and a blind refusal to accept any shred of accountability or responsibility for the mess created by the 2003 invasion of Iraq.

So tell me again - just who are the apologists here?
Let us see a proper debate, which means us bloggers making the effort and taking the time to consider one another's arguments (point by point - no stereotypes or magniloquent flourishes), walking around the block with them bouncing about in our heads, and then expressing an honest opinion on the basis of actual thought, rather than the rhetorical viagra that so often passes for "thoughtful" (or even worse - "insightful") commentary.

Get this right and you might have the chance to take a section of the population with you (or rather, us). It's vitally important that we do this. With the conservatives a pitiful, moribund, huddle of social reactionaries, Thatcher-fetishists, and "Bell Curve racists", now is the time for the left to get its act together.

UPDATE: I've struck out the last couple of sentences - they were pompous and unhelpful.

UPDATE II: I probably ought to clarify that this isn't about my personally coming down on the side of either a "pro-war" or an "anti-war" position. One issue is: are we open to one another's views? Another is whether or not support for/opposition to the Iraq war is inextricably linked to some of the issues bloggers often associate it with. For example, does supporting the war really put you on path that involves you supporting Blair, supporting Bush, and celebrating the power of the US military? Does opposing the war really make you a pacifist, an enemy of Israel (or worse), a tolerator of terrorism, a Guardianista?

UPDATE III: James Hamilton and Rob Newman have now contributed good articles on this topic.

7 comments so far...

At 4:19 AM, July 25, 2005, Blogger Neil Harding said...

Well said, excellent post! One of these days I hope I'll be able to use words like 'magniloquent'. (Or even have a dictionary that tells me what it means).

Very, very well written post. It's what Ive been trying to articulate these last few weeks but been limited by my not too expansive grasp of English!

Let the debate begin!

   
At 10:50 AM, July 25, 2005, Anonymous Jo said...

Trees for Labour covered this subject over the weekend:

The point is that to seek to understand why people do things, even those we think, stupid, evil, and unforgivable, is not to apportion blame, nor to condone their acts, nor to accept - implicitly or otherwise - the view of the world and the analysis that drives people to such dreadful actions. Instead, it is the first step to changing that view of the world, to changing their analysis, and thereby changing the world: to bringing about a world which is not just better for everyone but better understood by everyone, a world which enables everyone to play their full part without either being or feeling excluded.

   
At 11:26 AM, July 25, 2005, Anonymous James Hamilton said...

I'd like to comment on this, but when you follow " no stereotypes or magniloquent flourishes" with "a pitiful, moribund, huddle of social reactionaries, Thatcher-fetishists, and "Bell Curve racists", I just don't know where to start.

Just about everyone wants a debate, but no one seems to want to include in that debate anyone who disagrees with them.

   
At 11:59 AM, July 25, 2005, Blogger Bloggers4Labour said...

Point taken - have made a minor edit.

   
At 4:03 PM, July 25, 2005, Anonymous Rob said...

Have made my own contribution ...

   
At 11:20 AM, July 29, 2005, Anonymous Tom said...

Took me a while to get round to it, but I've added a contribution too, here.

   
At 5:21 PM, November 22, 2005, Anonymous Laim said...

Anonymous said...
The brit blogs are too
domimated By the "pro war Left" including this one
how trying this blog out
http://ftssoldier.blogspot.com

The "pro war Left" only supports the Iraq war because of the oil and is concerned of Britains overall strategic position as regards other powers such as Russia and China.

   

Post a Comment

<< Home

B4L Running Costs

£2,211.28 spent since 2007, which could be met by a donation of £4.37 per blogger.




Join the Labour Party
Sign the Euston Manifesto
We Are ZCTU: Defend unionists on trial in Zimbabwe